Fade out scenes when the next scene is launched
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lilpee02
on Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 2:36pm
Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 2:36pm

I have been searching all over the web trying to find out how to fade out a scene in session view when I launch a new scene. I have seen a lot of people post about creating a fade out envelope. I am not sure how to create an envelope or if this is even what I need to do. I am using multitracks. I am attaching a screen shot image of my session view. Please help!

Thanks,
Lucas

Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 2:43pm

I don't know if this matters but I am using Ableton Live 8 the basic edition.

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Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 6:05pm

As far as I know, Ableton doesn't have a fade-last-scene function. However, there are a couple ways to make your transitions smoother.

Fade out envelopes will only adjust each track's volume for you (so that you don't have to use your mouse or a mixer to change the volume at the end of each song). Still, this won't allow you to fade between songs smoothly. I don't think using a fade out envelop will accomplish what you want, but you can create a fade out envelope on each clip by repeating these steps:

1. Double click on the clip.
2. Press the circle button labeled "E" to view the envelope box.
3. Press the "Volume" button in the envelope box.
4. Create fade automation at the end of each song.

I've found that Ableton's crossfade controls allows me to create the smoothest transitions possible between songs with similar keys. To use these controls you need to have some kind of continuous-control MIDI controller (i.e. expression pedal, knob, encoder, crossfader). If you have one of these (and a free hand if necessary!), then you can structure your tracks so that you can crossfade from one to the next smoothly.

Ableton's crossfade section can be viewed by clicking on the "X" button on the right hand side of the Session View, or by clicking "Crossfader" under the View tab at the top of your screen. The crossfade section mimics a standard DJ rig which allows you to fade smoothly between "decks," or audio sources (tracks in Ableton).

If you want to crossfade between songs, you have to set up your tracks so that Ableton assigns every track for Song 1 to Deck A, and every track for Song 2 to Deck B.

This process is kind of confusing so I'll just attach a screenshot of an example session. If you can't figure it out by looking at that, I'd be glad to help you more. I've already kind of overloaded you with info though, so I'll just stop with that for now haha.

Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 10:25pm

so do you assign a midi fader to do this?

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Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 11:31pm

This is way easier...
If you are using one shot tracks:
Create a volume fade out at the end of song 1. Use an envelope. Put this clip in scene 1 track 1.
Create a volume fade in at the beginning of song 2. Use an envelope. Put this clip in scene 2 track 2.
Remove the stop button in scene 2 track 1.

When the first song is fading out at the end, launch song 2 whenever you want it to begin fading in. the clip for song one will not stop playing since the clips on in different tracks and the stop button has been removed.

If you are using loops (a clip set to a certain length of bars that repeats over and over and over):
scene 1 contains everything you need for song 1.
in scene two duplicate the first scene, turn off loop and create a fade out.
in additional tracks put your new loops.
if you want them to fade in, make sure the start marker is before the loop brace. for example. the clip starts at measure 1. loop brace is set to loop bars 3-4. create a fade in during measures 1-2. measures 3-4 of the clip will play at full volume.

Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 12:16am

Thanks for the reply Jacob.
Here are a couple of things with the crossfade, if the songs are not in the same key it sounds really messed up. Also the way my session view is set up, when I engage the "A" deck all of the clips in that column are now on "A" which means when I go to fade out the "A" deck my clip for the next song will be fading out as well because they are in the same column. I could make really long rows so each clip could have its own column but I do not want to do that. Even if I do that I'm still running into the different key situation. We have been using Ableton at church for about a year now. We only have an acoustic guitar, drums and 2 vocals. Everything else we use Multitracks. I have been doing just very basic functions with with Ableton even though I know it is capable of so much more. I just haven't had the time to spend to learn more about it. So, for every worship service I setup an arrangement in Ableton for the songs that we are doing that service. I know there is any easier way to do what I have been doing for the past year. That being said we have to be able to have the songs fade from one to another seamlessly or it will not work because we can not have dead space between songs it is very awkward trust me it has happened before and it is no good. Like i mentioned earlier we do not have a piano or keys player to make the song transition. So we have to overlap our songs slightly in Ableton as to not have any dead space and it has worked for us for a year now. I am just looking for a better more time saving way to do what I do. Here are a few screen shots of how it looks.

Thanks,
Lucas

Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 12:17am

Here is another

Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 12:17am

Here is one more

Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 12:26am

Thank you Scottie. Let me play with that and see if I can make that work.

Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 1:05am

"Create a volume fade out at the end of song 1. Use an envelope. Put this clip in scene 1 track 1.
Create a volume fade in at the beginning of song 2. Use an envelope. Put this clip in scene 2 track 2.
Remove the stop button in scene 2 track 1."

Ok I follow what you are saying with the envelopes and the fade in and out that would work if all of my tracks were in one master track but each song has between 10-12 tracks per song. I may be misunderstanding you on how this works. Please let me know if I am missing what you are saying.

The reason the tracks are not all in one master track is because we route each track to our Presonus board so we can have more control over each song while we are mixing during service.

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Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 3:15pm

Ah okay. Yeah unfortunately using the crossfade method requires the creation of a lot of extra tracks. However, if you are able to mix down and bounce similar parts (guitars/keys/perc/bgvs) for your tracks, then you can limit your session to a manageable number of tracks while still having pretty control for each part. Using this method with the crossfader assigned to a continuous midi fader, knob, or pedal will give you best control over the timing of your transitions without having to create envelopes for every source track. It's not necessarily the simplest way to do it, but I've found that it is by far the most expressive and musical way to use loops in Ableton.

If you are running your worship sets in Arrangement View instead of Session View, then you can simply create fades on each audio clip in the Arrangement View. You can do this pretty easily by selecting the Fades edit mode on each track on the right side of the screen in Arrangement View. Unfortunately, it is nearly impossible to create smooth transitions between songs in different keys without a keys player or another form of instrumentation.

Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 4:40pm

Thanks that helps!!

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Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 10:47pm

If you are using stems to break out each part just stagger. There will be 2 synth tracks, two BGV tracks, etc. You just go back and forth if you want to cross fade each song. Yes this doubles your amount of tracks, but you can fold, resize, color code or even group your tracks to organize.
Using Session View, creating fades and doubling your tracks is still way easier than using Arrangement view. Once it's setup in SV it's done. You just rearrange your songs by dragging your Scenes around. If you were to use AV you would be pretty close to starting with a blank slate every week.