Newbie problem: tracks not showing up in Arrangement view
by
DarrylJohnson
on Saturday, April 5, 2014 - 2:47pm
Saturday, April 5, 2014 - 2:47pm

I am a fairly new user. I've just been doing the basics for a few months.

Running Ableton Live 9. I have downloaded Multi-track loops for 2 songs that we are doing at church tomorrow. I use multitracks rather than just the combined loop because I need to mute a couple of the instruments that we already have.

I loaded the clips for the songs in Session View as guided by Matt's videos in the training section. Now I need to add locators so I can jump between sections. Our worship leader wants to skip one section, jump to another, etc. on one of the songs.

So trying to do that like Matt shows. Everything is fine in session view. But when I toggle to Arrangement view to set the locators, I do NOT see the audio waveform in the in track display area for each channel. It's just all dark gray. And playback SOUNDS starts at the beginning of the song, but on the beat time ruler in Arrangement view, the progress bar shows it starting well into the song, like at measure 48. What am I doing wrong? As I understand it, I need to see the waveform (I was trying to use the CLICK channel of the multitrack) to set the locators? HELP!

Thanks!

Saturday, April 5, 2014 - 6:40pm

Or maybe a better question to ask to get to what I'm trying to do...

Again, I have downloaded a multi-track loop. Specifically, it's the one for Forever by Kari Jobe, Andy Walker's loop.

I want to skip the "interlude" section, jumping to the "down bridge" and after going to that once, jump to the built-up "bridge".

In SESSION view with multitracks (again, I have to use multi-tracks instead of the combined tracks because I have to mute several instruments), how can I set locators to jump to specific sections?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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  • Ninja
Saturday, April 5, 2014 - 7:44pm

It's best to edit the song using Ableton's Arrangement view. If you're using Session View, it's possible but you have to be very specific on which measures of which tracks you want to cut. You're on the right track in getting it to Arrangement view for the surgery you need.

However, you can't simply toggle over and find them there. You actually have to move them there manually. Here is a video on several ways to go about doing what I think you want:

https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/getting-started-7-session-arrangemen...

Saturday, April 5, 2014 - 8:26pm

Thanks Nelson! I had seen that video, and I had tried moving them over to Arr. view, setting locators but then things started getting shifted around when I tried to play back and jump to them, it was still being controlled from Session view, bottom line is I had a mess.

Rather than cutting sections, all I'd really like to do is set some locators I can jump to in Session view. Any way to do that?

Saturday, April 5, 2014 - 8:30pm

In this article here on LC...

http://blog.loopcommunity.com/2012/06/session-view-vs-arrangement-view/

...Matt lists as one of the "Pros" of Session view is:

"Use scenes to launch different sections of the song on the fly"

But with multi-tracks I'm downloading a scene is a whole song, not a section of a song. So I'm struggling to figure out how to launch different sections on the fly.

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  • Ninja
Saturday, April 5, 2014 - 9:14pm

You can set up a series of Scenes in Session view that work like you're describing. Scene 1 would be the whole song as a one shot; start it and it plays all the way through without stopping. Scene 2 would be the same song that starts in a part that you anticipate you'd like to go back to, say for example the Bridge.

Scene 3 could be the last Chorus where you could go back to as well... or not. If you use a feature called FOLLOW ACTIONS, (from the manual https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/launching-clips/#follow-actions) ... where you can fire it and forget it. Once started, the clip just plays out to the end of the song for you.... you could actually break one tune up into several portions that go through them all one by one until done.

There's a discussion on it somewhere here...
http://loopcommunity.com/blocks/software/ableton/using-follow-actions-du...

Saturday, April 5, 2014 - 9:16pm

Cool! I'll try that, thanks Nelson!