Crossfade/Fade Out
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BroLGray
on Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 8:29am
BroLGray
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Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 8:29am

Is crossfading songs or fading out songs ever going to be a feature in Prime? If it were, there's a good chance it could be my favorite app in the universe. I'd love to be able to crossfade between songs for smoother transitions (having the option to choose the crossfade time would be rad) and have the track fade out if stop is pushed. In the rare instance that the band gets off the click, rather than just having a ridiculously awkward moment where the track just goes from 100 to 0 instantly, it might make it less obvious if it faded out. Just some suggestions!

Wednesday, June 10, 2015 - 2:41pm

This was actually the same exact question that I was going to ask until I saw this. It would be great to have a feature/button within the app that allows for songs to cross fade because there are those instances where the end of certain songs are long and the beginning of the next is long as well. If you had that, the first song could fade out while the next is fading in. For our church, this would be extremely beneficial to every single set we do. The transitions would be so much smoother for us. Even though we have a keyboard player who tries to glue all the songs together, it still isn't enough in most cases.

Thanks for asking the question! I'll be checking back!!!

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Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 4:08pm

I asked the same question about a month prior to your post... I honestly don't think the developers or staff of LC are active on this forum anymore. They don't usually answer these types of questions and if they do give an answer for some reason it seems nothing every comes to fruition... it's weird. I would love to have some cross fades and fade outs that would literally make Prime amazing.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 4:57pm

We're definitely listening! There's a lot of development happening across the entire site, so it can take a while to get all features finished. Some are higher priority than others.
This one is on the list (pretty high up) :)

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Tuesday, June 16, 2015 - 5:22pm

Thanks for responding :). It is nice to know it is on the list, but just having communication would help a lot so we could see things that are being worked on and such... that would be awesome! Thank you :).

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Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 4:32pm

Have you guys tried the fade out feature in PRIME? Does it work ok for you?

Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 9:32am

Matt, I haven't yet tried the fade out feature. Is this available via an update? Where can I find that feature?

Thanks!

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Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 11:37am

As far as I'm aware, this is the first time we have heard that it has been updated? Like we have said before, it would be great to have some communication about this :). Maybe an email when big updates are added, or a front page announcement... I will check it out.

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Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 11:39am

Thanks Matt we appreciate all you do!

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Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 12:36pm

Okay, I definitely love it! I'm a little confused though. If I set a fade out time of 2 seconds, does that mean it fades out from the official end of the song, or from the end marker I made? It seems I'm doing alittle playing around with each song in the set because I don't know which way its doing it. If the fade setting it only applied to the very end of he song, not the end marker, then it woulc be good to have it based on the time of the song then instead of how many seconds.

For example we play a song on prime that has a down part then comes back into the chorus again, but we just end it at the down part, so I would be great not to have to count the amount of seconds back that I need to have it fade out haha.

So I guess my question is, how is it setup? To fade from the end of the song, or from the end marker?

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Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 12:40pm

Sorry for the quadruple posting, I don't see an edit option for posts...

per the original posters question, do you think a fade out on stop button press would be able to be added at some point as well? Two weeks ago we got off from the track really bad and the bassist eventually stopped it, but it does have that abrupt stop instead of a semi fade on it...? :)

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Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 1:07pm

It should fade out from the marker that you set.
I'll look at the stop button.

Thursday, September 10, 2015 - 6:19pm

Crossfade between songs and fade out with the stop button I think are crucial. We're new in the loop/pad world and I'm working to get our band on click so for now were just running pad to help fill up the sound. Without click I can't guarantee how long the song would be so I can't use the stop and fade out feature. I have to try and fade via the master volume or just click next which has an abrupt stop and really affects the flow. I'm blown away with the Prime app and love it. Adding crossfade and fade out with the stop button would make the app even more amazing! Thanks for all you do!

Monday, September 14, 2015 - 12:59pm

The fade out via the iPad app is semi-helpful. It would be great if there was an auto fade out for any transition. We use long pads underneath talking parts, etc, that have a lot of buffer time, but when we need to change to a true loop, then it has to be a hard stop from 100 to 0 or I have to manually fade the volume down which is nearly impossible in those moments.

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Monday, September 14, 2015 - 1:02pm

What if we added a feature where you can add a 5 or 10 second fade out on the STOP button?

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Monday, September 14, 2015 - 1:07pm

If we could choose the amount of time like with the fade in fade out options that would be cool, you could just put the options in the settings menu. 5 or 10 second options would still be better than the current stop though :).

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Monday, September 14, 2015 - 1:10pm

But crossover fading from one song to the next would he great so that there was less limbo time here the tracks automatically transitioned with a quick fade.

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Monday, September 14, 2015 - 1:15pm

What's the reason the Fade Out option on the song doesn't work? Wouldn't it be the same thing?

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Monday, September 14, 2015 - 1:40pm

I guess it is the same thing, we are still running into a problem of too much transition time even with trying to set the start time to right at a song intro and the moment a song fades out. Idk it's hard to explain and probably not a prime problem. Sometimes the transition timing is just tough, where if we had a constant click in our ears like we would have a with a metronome or something we wouldn't have that problem because we could immediately start a new song, but I guess having tracks behind us kind of hinders that.l because we have to wait on them to start.

Monday, September 14, 2015 - 4:17pm

Matt, I think the fade on the stop button would be a great addition. For me, cross fade is even more important because I am just starting to train my team on click so we only run a pad from prime during our service. I can't use the fade out that's already in the app because without click I can't know for sure how long the song will be. Fade on the stop is helpful but to be able to hit next and not have to stop and start the next song is ideal. The less steps, the less room for error. If there was a crossfade setting that is tied to the next button and could be turned on or off would be very helpful. I greatly appreciate how you engage in these conversations. You have given the church a powerful tool that I hope we don't take for granted. Hoping to get a Looptimus one day soon and utilize it but for now it's just the app and crossfade and fade out on stop would help the flow of our service a great deal. Thanks for all you do!

Monday, September 14, 2015 - 7:26pm

Matt, I think the fade on the stop button would be a great addition. For me, cross fade is even more important because I am just starting to train my team on click so we only run a pad from prime during our service. I can't use the fade out that's already in the app because without click I can't know for sure how long the song will be. Fade on the stop is helpful but to be able to hit next and not have to stop and start the next song is ideal. The less steps, the less room for error. If there was a crossfade setting that is tied to the next button and could be turned on or off would be very helpful. I greatly appreciate how you engage in these conversations. You have given the church a powerful tool that I hope we don't take for granted. Hoping to get a Looptimus one day soon and utilize it but for now it's just the app and crossfade and fade out on stop would help the flow of our service a great deal. Thanks for all you do!

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Tuesday, September 15, 2015 - 8:34am

If you press Crossfade, whats happens to the Click?

Tuesday, September 15, 2015 - 9:35am

Interesting point. In my case, we are not using click so the pad would fade into the other pad. In an instance of using click, the user would have to be sure there are a few bars of click before the intro cue. That is where having a toggle in setting to turn crossfade on/off would be helpful so those that need it can use it. Is it possible that instead of a true crossfade that when you hit next it fades out the song then starts the next track? Just spit balling. I know you have to think through more than I do as the developer. Hopefully our input helps. Thanks Matt!

Monday, September 21, 2015 - 4:01pm

Matt, the crossfade is also our number one request. Our transitions are very awkward if we try to play tracks back-to-back and don't have a musician on that week who can smoothly negotiate a key change.

Joining Nick's brainstorm on handling crossfading clicks - could we set the fade in fade out settings already available in PRIME and instead of clicking the auto advance button (from song 1 to song 2), click a crossfade button? It would mute the fade out click/cues immediately and make the incoming cues/click immediately available. The center of the crossfade would be the center of the fade out and the fade in (even if they were different length fades). I've been really pleased with PRIME - hoping to see it continue to grow!

Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 2:08pm

CROSSFADE PLEASE!! I would love you forever and ever if you added it to an update! ok, I'm done.

Sunday, November 6, 2016 - 10:28am

Is this thread dead? Was a crossfade ever achieved! Just used the looptimus in a service for the first time and would definitely benefit from a crossfade somehow. That dead silence between a fade in / out is a bit awkward when you're just using looped pads for transitions. Thank you!

Monday, November 7, 2016 - 12:15am

^^^EXACTLY!^^^ I can't even figure out how to use the fade out feature. Haha! Let alone use it with the long (20-30 min) pad audio tracks that I'm trying to use. I'm using the ones like from Karl Varkade and Coresoundpads.com. But without the cross fade feature in PRIME I can't use it without having abrupt transitions between pads/tracks. I have figured out how to do this in Ableton but I only have Intro, which would work for most cases except for like a worship night where we're doing more than 8 songs (8 track limit in Intro). Also, I really like the PRIME app for its simplicity. Sometimes Ableton can get overwhelming. The cross fade feature would give me just about everything I need in PRIME. Please revive this thread and get this feature on the development list again!!

Thursday, December 1, 2016 - 8:03am

Hey team, any update on a CrossFade? I'm thinking that this is probably something that is being worked on but would be an amazing feature!!! Have you guys got an ETA on when that will be available?

Saturday, December 3, 2016 - 11:28am

@ Matt McCoy, Hi Matt, I can relate what your feeling with the request for cross fade in Prime. There are a few hurdles to overcome and that need to be thought out if this could be possible in the Prime Platform. I am guesing you guys might of already been brainstorming this challenge. Like you asked in your earlier post "If you press Crossfade, whats happens to the Click?" which is something folks arent thinking about. This is gonna be a tough one cause were talking linking different keys and tempos. Depending on how the crossfade goes this could be awkward as well, could be masked by symbol swells of a drum during crossfade or who knows what.:) Key could be in length of cross fade with what tracks that could remain underneath (Pads). One idea I was thinking of is, during the crossfade there could be a BUTTON or MARKER that will CUE "Crossfade" during this time the Click can do the desired amount of measures set by the user in the NEXT tracks speed depending where you are in the song. Its DURING these measures that the songs will cossfade and by the time the next songs tracks are coming up we will hear INTRO Cue. Some songs ends abruptly like Lincon Brewsters "Made New" and of course would work with those songs that have decent length outros. I am thinking the crossfade button would be for song transitioning ONLY while the current fade option would still be available. I know this might be barely scratching the surface in terms of solving this but I thought I'd give it a shot and throw my 2 cents in there :) I am sure theres logrythms and other crazy programming stuff to hurdle.

Monday, February 13, 2017 - 12:41pm

I also understand why this could be troublesome, but its a feature i think a lot of people want, including myself. I have train my band on how to do the transition. but a Crossfade would be incredible. Also maybe a feature that allows me to shorten or lengthen the intro of each song. Sometimes a click goes 4 bars before we get the cue for intro, and sometimes its immediately.

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Monday, February 13, 2017 - 1:25pm

Thanks for the suggestions everyone! We're listening!

Friday, July 28, 2017 - 5:10pm

Hey Matt... former Willow Creek attender and former worship leader at South Park Church in Park Ridge, but I met you once at Pathway Community Church in Ft. Wayne. I'm leading worship for a small - medium sized church in the Orlando area and absolutely love the Prime app. I've trained some of our worship leaders to use it too. Literally, the only thing I've ever wanted was a faster transition between songs, mostly for flow. So, if that crossfade... or maybe the ability to change/shorten the beginning or ending section... would be awesome. I can definitely imagine the technical hurdles. But, even a 4 click count-off instead of 8 might work for us.

I find myself having to stall a little bit between songs. Other than that, thanks for your contribution to the church!

Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 1:36pm

Hey Matt, the guys from Multitracks came up with a three way solution for this problem. "Autolink" for a smooth transition between two songs f.e. with the same bpm. "Overlap", a transition that starts before the song ends (to a set end point), the click from the first song stops and the click from the second song counts the song in. And then "Crossfade" that does more or less the same as "Overlap" but then with the first song fading out and the second one fading in. They solved the problem with the click very nicely and I tried it, it works very well. If you could implement something like that into Prime would really fix the only problem I have with Prime right now. Because there is no real smooth transition between songs we have an awkward break between songs and even with songs linked to each other with same bpm there is a break and not a smooth transition. With "Autolink", Overlap and Crossfade the next song starts on cue and the Guide/Cue works perfect with the next song.

I know you guys are working on something great. Looking forward to transitions in Prime! Thanks guys. You changed the way our church does worship in a way we can afford!

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Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 3:22pm

For songs that have a nice pad intro - I've found starting later feature plus early ending and fade out get close to a crossfade, but agree that most of the time, transitions between songs are just too noticeable. Been thinking about running everything from Logic as a single session for each service so I can make the transitions exactly how i want them, but then I lose out on the cool features (and better pricing) for Prime only. haven't quite decided how we're going to handle, but just wanted to add my 2 cents :-)

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Saturday, August 12, 2017 - 4:42pm

Just want everyone to know that Crossfading will be coming to PRIME. The first half of this year, we focused on getting the iPhone version caught up with the iPad version. We've got an exciting thing coming to PRIME in the next month or so, and then right after that we'll implement Crossfades and some other highly requested features. We're doing our best to keep PRIME up to date, bug free and feature rich, while at the same time offering an affordable option to the worship community. We hear you all loud-and-clear and will be hitting it harder than ever this fall. Thanks for your continual support of LC!

Tuesday, August 15, 2017 - 5:23pm

Seriously Matt, you guys are doing great! I'm really late to the game on Tracks and Clicks, but our team just made the plunge. The only way that this was even possible was because of the affordable "Premium Tracks" and the free PRIME app. You guys are a huge blessing. Also very excited for all the new features that you say will be rolling out shortly. Thanks for all you guys do in making quality music possible for smaller churches and helping to encourage and strengthen the body by being good stewards of the churches' finances (free App and affordable tracks) EXCITED FOR CROSSFADES!!!!

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Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 5:20am

Thanks, Mike! Is it okay if we use this as a testimonial? :)

Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 8:15am

Absolutely Matt! Thanks again.

Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 8:23am

Great news on the Crossfades! We'll look forward to it!

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Wednesday, August 16, 2017 - 8:27am

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