How to trigger a 'transition' loop

Ableton

kgranger

almost 8 years ago (edited)

I have several 'transition/modulation' loops that I would like to use occasionally to get from a song in one key to a song in another...I've looked on here a bit but have not found how to do what I want to do, namely ( I work in Session View): Toward the end of a song, pretty much right as we hit the last chord, I want to trigger one of the modulation loops, fading the song out, and then once the mod loop is in the new key, trigger the next song and fade the loop out... I'm sure this can be done and it's probably very simple, but any help would be appreciated.
kgranger

almost 8 years ago

Sorry, forgot to say I'm using Ableton 9...that might be good to know.
mike

almost 8 years ago

Hey Ken, Are you using a controller or keyboard mappings?
jeffcaylor

almost 8 years ago

Ken, I'm sure it can be done but I'm not sure it's a simple thing to do (unless you aren't really wanting to truly automate it). If you just want to trigger the transition loop and trigger the new loop that's a piece of cake with key mappings or controller mappings (as Mike is suggesting). Fades can be accomplished with envelopes and dummy tracks if you want to get fancy. All this can be automated as well, but from experience, I'm going to say that you're better off spending your time practicing the transition manually. Basically you'd need to assign midi strokes to keyboard mappings and send the midi signal through your inter-app midi communications and back into Ableton Live. You can make some cool stuff happen this way but it's not the most intuitive to set up the first time and may take some fiddling to make the timing work how you want. I can give detailed notes on either of these if you're unsure of how to make it happen or don't know what to Google. Peace, Jeff
kgranger

almost 8 years ago

Mike and Jeff: thanks for the quick responses. Yes, the simpler the better for this old bird. I should have clarified that I will be manually triggering the first song, then the mod track, then the next song. (Don't want to surrender all that to automation, just in case!) I have an old Oxygen8 controller. (I also have a SoftStep that has not been able to talk to Ableton 9 on my new Windows 8 machine; worked on my old one...bummer.) At any rate, I just want to be able to play the first song and towards the end, trigger the modulation loop without abruptly stopping the first song; the audio from the song will end on its own quickly enough while the mod is playing. Once I'm ready I'll trigger the second song, and likewise want to let the loop fade (somewhat quickly so as to avoid chord collisions with the song) rather than abruptly ending. The problem is the mod loops are for the most part longer than what I usually need but I occasionally will need them to play longer than normal. In other words, most of the time I will start the next song within 2 or 3 seconds of hitting the new key but sometimes I may need to wait longer. So WHENEVER I decided to trigger the next song, I need the loop to fade and end fairly quickly as we're getting into the next song. Have I confused anyone yet?
kgranger

almost 8 years ago

OK, having nosed around a bit more on here and in Ableton, I found either Kristisn's or Scottie's tip on removing the stop buttons to prevent a playing scene from stopping when triggering another. That's the first part out of the way. So now I just need someone to point me to fading the loop out 'on demand'... Sorry, wish I'd had more time to look before posting in the first place.
kgranger

almost 8 years ago

Thanks, Kristian, I'll have a go at this later tonight after rehearsal...