Quantization requirements for using Ableton's metronome

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mrdister

over 8 years ago (edited)

Does using Live's metronome for your set in Session mode basically require that you have a one bar quantization? If you set your quantization settings to 1 beat or even OFF, when you jump to a difference scene for instance, the metronome is now giving incorrect beat ones. Is there any way to have the metronome follow your quantization so that if you have quantization set to a 1/4 note and jump to a different scene, the metronome will restart from beat 1 to keep up with your new scene's beat one? The only way around this I see is to create a metronome and dedicate a track to it so that it would jump to beat one along with other clips in the scene.
scoottie

over 8 years ago (edited)

I think I understand what you're trying to ask. You want to start song 2 on the 3rd beat of a measure and make the click "reset" so the accent is in the correct place with the second song... and you don't want to wait for a full measure turn around? I understand why you would want to do this in between songs. But when you look at the situation from Live's point of view it's the exact opposite of its purpose. If I were DJing and I wanted to improvise... I would want the click the stay constant. While DJing or recording a song etc. everything is revolving around the click or timing of the song. You're asking the timing and metronome to change in the middle of a song. There's nothing wrong with wanting to do that... it's just when I say it can't be done with the built in click you will understand why. I would suggest exactly what you mentioned. Create a drum rack or impulse device and use metronome samples triggered by a MIDI clip. This does a couple big things for you: 1. You wont be warping an audio track. This makes sure the transients stay sharp no matter what tempo you are at. 2. You can automate your click a little easier... Say you want the click to cut out at the end of a song while you are retarding. Normally you would have to get someone to turn it off... then turn it back on before the next song starts. Not too bad but it can be hard during a trash can ending. The next option would be to render a full length audio clip for each song. This is annoying, making edits to the arrangement is more of a pain and also creates a ton of audio files that will eventually take up a lot of hard drive space. Using a MIDI clip solves all those problems. A perfect example is the Click and Cue pack LC offers. Drop it in and create a few MIDI clips.
mrdister

over 8 years ago (edited)

Dugan, Thanks for the well-crafted response. I like your reference to the DJ workflow above, and that definitely makes sense to have a master count. I have also started using a midi track that outputs to the IAC driver to send metronome on/off commands at the beginning and end of scenes for similar purposes. I will have to keep using a separate click, though, for what we were talking about.
stratman601

over 4 years ago

Is there a way to retard a song at the end, say Amazing Grace My Chains are Gone, or have the metronome turn off, I am using a tempo track with the track set to master for the entire song, I am working in arrangement view, but then want to take the song and cut up the clips back into session view, but I want to retard at the end. Is there any way to fade the metro out, or perhaps another way, I know it can be drawn in at the master channel down below, is there another easier way?