Tempo Automation in Session View

Ableton

dandybing

almost 7 years ago (edited)

Hey Guys!! I've recently begun my Ableton journey, switching over from mostly using Logic Pro. I'm starting to get the hang of it, mostly thanks to the AWESOME Loop Community webinars this summer (Thanks, Matt & gang!). I've got a question regarding having songs with tempo changes within an Ableton Live worship set. The song I'm working with now is "Oceans" by Hillsong United. I'm using purchased MasterTracks from another site (purchased before I discovered LC's awesome Community Tracks). The song has a tempo change from 132 to 125 at the beginning of the bridge instrumental. Upon looking through and listening to the MasterTrack session, I notice that there's some rather complex timing automation that happens to get the song from 132 down to 125. Meaning: It doesn't simply drop from 132 to 125 at the beginning of a measure. My question is: When I'm building a worship set in Session View, is there a way to import that automation data along with the "Ocean" loops, so that the click is automated correctly in my worship set?? If not, are there any workaround ideas you guys would suggest?? Obviously I can just export the click track that was included with the "Oceans" mastertracks, but if there's a way to use the Ableton click instead, that'd be ideal. Please let me know if you guys have any insight or ideas. Thanks!
nlsn

almost 7 years ago

Hey Dan! I'm not completely sure that you can, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that automation recorded into the Arrangement view can transfer directly to the Session View. Live9 is amazing in allowing you to record automations, or draw them in with your mouse. You can even draw curved automation lines. Here's the link to the online section of the manual covering Automation with Live9: https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/automation-and-editing-envelopes/ Here's a suggestion I would try in your case: 1. Open their click track that probably tracks flawlessly with their other tracks 2. If you have Live9 Suite use the Convert Audio to Midi feature to make a new midi track of their click. 3. Now plug in the LC samples from their template package.
nlsn

almost 7 years ago

I did some more digging here: https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/audio-clips-tempo-and-warping/ You can designate any track to be the "Tempo Master" (See Section 9.2.1 Tempo Master/Slave) So, don't warp their click track. Instead, use it as the Tempo Master that dictates the tempo of the tune. Then, you can probably use Ableton's click sounds as your click. I'm interested to hear how this goes, if you have time. Good luck!
dandybing

almost 7 years ago

Thanks so much Nelson! I haven't been able to try this out yet but I will soon, and I'll definitely let you know how it works. Thanks again!
scoottie

almost 7 years ago

Automating tempo in Session view is completely possible. All you need is a virtual MIDI port... or just daisy chain the IO of hardware. Mac has one built in. It's called the IAC driver. Next, you need to enable the remote send and receive for both In and Out on that device. Create a MIDI Clip. Pick a MIDI CC. Create an envelope. Launch the clip. Turn on MIDI map mode. Select the Tempo (or any other parameter you want to control) Turn off MIDI Map mode. Now, that MIDI clips CC envelope controls the selected parameter. You need to adjust the envelope to move between desired tempos. It will be a bit of trial and error. Make sure to go back into the MIDI mappings and delete any extra mappings that might have occurred.
gabe1331

over 6 years ago

hey Dan, can you make a video if you've figured it out? I'm also struggling with this right now.
TonyK47

5 months ago

To anyone still wondering how to do that in 2021 (and information about this is still pretty precarious ūüĎé) here are a few ways I've found to do it:

1. Download the ClyphX script (you can download it here free and legal: https://github.com/ldrolez/clyphx-live10/releases) and put it as a console in the MIDI preferences in Ableton - from there on you'll need to do that to make it work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k7jupci1Lk

2. Use this m4l device https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eeFA-no5_c (this will cost you $5)

3. And now ladies and gentlemen... (drum roll)... this is probably the best way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp-dfyZFbMY

Cheers